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Post by 9skulls on Jun 23, 2010 16:48:12 GMT 1
I've tried to keep my mouth shut, but now I really have to say it out loud.
Tyree: dude if you are for real and are as old, knowing and experienced as you SAY you are, then I feel sorry for you. Your skills in both modelling and retopo are poor, so poor that they are no way NEAR to the standards of the industry.
I'm just saying this because I don't think you are convincing anyone here, so please, quit it :/
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Post by griffm on Jun 23, 2010 20:27:50 GMT 1
I am hoping you guys will get along and perhaps learn something from this  Lets just end it here shall we? ;D |
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Post by wasa on Jun 23, 2010 20:34:59 GMT 1
pixellegolas, read the earlier posts, the model and others retopo results are shown through out this thread
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Post by acrobatfly on Jun 24, 2010 18:16:02 GMT 1
Tyree: I'd understand if you choose to ignore this post. You don't know me, especially since I've relinquished my older, far more familiar nick. However, I'm coming to you, one artist to another, with some solid advice. Having about nearly two decades worth experience doing CG, both as an amateur and a pro, I'd like you to not make the same mistakes that I made way back when.
- Always remain humble: No matter your experience level, there's always somebody better than you. That's true for everybody. Right now, whether true or not, you seem to be coming off as somewhat arrogant and abrasive. Do I believe this to truly be the case? Probably not. However, especially on the internet, we paint a picture of ourselves via our words. Always remember that. We can never know you completely so be aware of what part of yourself you show to us. The CG community isn't so small that you can escape your reputation, good or bad. It always catches up to you, in both cases.
- "Put up or shut up": I rather hate that phrase, but it seems to be what's called for here. Whenever you solicit work from prospective clients, it is incumbent on you to prove that you're worth the money. If you want people here to be clients of yours, and prove your worth as an artist, it would behoove you to provide this community with a complete portfolio or reel. Actions speak louder than words. Your current approach only speaks to your relative art & industry inexperience.
- Opinions are like @$$#oles. Everyone's got one and they all stink: Critique is a part of the business. If you can't take it, don't put your work up online. Making lame excuses is unbecoming of somebody who purports to be a professional. We were all newbies once. There's no shame in that. If the work looks shoddy & people call you on it, take your lumps like a man and learn not to make these same mistakes twice. That's how you grow.
- A Failure to Plan is a Plan for Failure: Perhaps I missed it, but you don't give people here any sort of pricing structure. There's no way for them to know, beforehand, what your going rate is and for what levels of detail. Maybe you're afraid to scare people off. I get that. However, if you've got no set rates for the type of work you do then people may get the impression that you're making it up as you go along or trying to take them for a ride. Nobody likes a fly by night. Maybe I missed that detailed sheet. If so, mea culpa.
- Handshake deals are dead: It doesn't matter if the job is for $20 or $2,000. Contracts make the worlds go `round. While that goes without saying, I haven't seen this mentioned once here. I'll assume that you already have a work for hire contract. Every reputable freelancer has one, to protect the interests of both the client and the artist.
I'm going to be blunt with you, Tyree. Given the choice between a Tyree and a Taron, on a professional level, I'd choose a Taron every single time. Why? Taron is a proven quantity. Not only is he quite well known throughout the industry, his body of work speaks volumes. More than that, when he does speak, he sounds like a professional and is very open to criticism. I'd work with him in a heartbeat. You, Tyree, have not provided any solid evidence that you can do more than just talk a good game. Your apparent inability to take criticism in an adult manner makes you sound like a diva or a tool. I don't know any of this to be true, but that's how you've seemingly marketed yourself. Those two things alone would keep me from ever working with you, or even hiring you. Feel free to ignore my post, should you disagree. I would hope that you would at least digest some of this. Don't reply. Just take it in an let it sit with you.
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Post by 9skulls on Jun 24, 2010 18:44:27 GMT 1
Just out of curiosity, who's that Taron guy and should I know him?  |
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Post by markjoel60 on Jun 24, 2010 20:32:09 GMT 1
Just out of curiosity, who's that Taron guy and should I know him? Taron is clearly staying out of this, because it isn't his way to get into a pissing contest... So, I hope I am not out of line... but... "Born in Germany, Taron started working with computers (Commodore 16) at age fourteen. His first professional assignment was at age fifteen for multimedia applications. Officially becoming a freelancer at age twenty-one, Taron worked on advertising games for clients such as Dannon, Siemens and JVC. He later moved to the US to work in visual effects until he switched over to software development at age thirty-two. He has contributed to films such as Dogma, Battlefield Earth, Impostor, Spy Kids 2, Megiddo, Gothika, Dust Factory, Dracula 2K, Reeker, The Hunt, Syriana and Ghost Rider. Taron has also worked on numerous commercials and game cinematics and his work has been published in magazines all over the world."And, from an industry insider: "Taron is my first stop for modeling creatures and humans, whether they be beautiful or grotesque, earthly or alien, his creations are often fantastic, yet always believable. His endless imagination and 3D modeling expertise combine to produce the most original life forms in the digital realm." Mark Lasoff Academy Award-winning Digital Effects Supervisor Titanic |
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Post by sporkfumaster on Jun 24, 2010 22:37:02 GMT 1
Damn, I thought you just had good advice Taron. I wasn't aware that the good advice came from a hell of a lot of industry experience.
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Post by wikkidwidgets on Jun 24, 2010 23:28:47 GMT 1
LOL ;D
Taron has forgotten more about 3D modeling and artistic endeavors than most here will ever be able to fathom.
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Post by markjoel60 on Jun 25, 2010 0:18:55 GMT 1
Taron has forgotten more about 3D modeling and artistic endeavors than most here will ever be able to fathom. Well.. except for Tyree, of course. He is a lion amongst lambs  |
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Post by albator on Jun 26, 2010 10:57:16 GMT 1
Tyree, let's be frank : you don't do a good job with your retopo.
Too many parallel lines, it looks like a chess grid.
Where are the nice loops for the eyes and the mouth ?
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Post by griffm on Jun 26, 2010 13:14:45 GMT 1
Just out of curiosity, who's that Taron guy and should I know him? Taron is clearly staying out of this, because it isn't his way to get into a pissing contest... So, I hope I am not out of line... but... "Born in Germany, Taron started working with computers (Commodore 16) at age fourteen. His first professional assignment was at age fifteen for multimedia applications. Officially becoming a freelancer at age twenty-one, Taron worked on advertising games for clients such as Dannon, Siemens and JVC. He later moved to the US to work in visual effects until he switched over to software development at age thirty-two. He has contributed to films such as Dogma, Battlefield Earth, Impostor, Spy Kids 2, Megiddo, Gothika, Dust Factory, Dracula 2K, Reeker, The Hunt, Syriana and Ghost Rider. Taron has also worked on numerous commercials and game cinematics and his work has been published in magazines all over the world."And, from an industry insider: "Taron is my first stop for modeling creatures and humans, whether they be beautiful or grotesque, earthly or alien, his creations are often fantastic, yet always believable. His endless imagination and 3D modeling expertise combine to produce the most original life forms in the digital realm." Mark Lasoff Academy Award-winning Digital Effects Supervisor Titanic  I knew Taron was super skilled and stuff, but i just figured he was one of those Internet Sages. The kinda dude who was really good and had a knack for helping people in his free time . . . but . . [glow=red,2,300]WOW.[/glow] |
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I knew Taron was super skilled and stuff, but i just figured he was one of those Internet Sages. The kinda dude who was really good and had a knack for helping people in his free time . . . but . . [glow=red,2,300]WOW.[/glow]